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Wet Behind The Ears
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Post by 0 on Jul 21, 2008 13:44:10 GMT
So then what are the panel feelings on the new Smarties advert? Is it racist? Segregation by colour?
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Post by juz on Jul 21, 2008 18:28:48 GMT
I take it Matt can't back up his Taliban theory, shame that! I used to think you had a decent worldly view and something important to say, now I know your just a puppet for other known conspiracy theorists.
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Post by Matt on Jul 21, 2008 18:49:55 GMT
Juz, if your gonna have a debate....first of all...learn to read AND understand what someone says. Secondly drop all presumtions, and thirdly realise that an observation is an an observation and fourth..stop twisting things into what you want them to be to suit what you've gotta say, its fuckin boring juz. How can a view on the Afghan people and their resistance to certain leadership be a conspiracy theory? There's no conspiring going on, where the fuck is the relevence with that?
And NWA is right, I didnt say the Afghan people were not oppressed! In a western perspective, they were oppressed, but that is their fucking culture, their religion, who the fuck are we to tell them to change things like we are mighty and superior, and tell them with fuckin force and huge loss of life...and telling them wasnt the whole idea of invading anyway..apprently it was all down to the Taleban harbouring al qaeda haha indeed. but they just chucked in all that propagandha shit for good measure!
This Juz, is an opinion and my world view, Decent world view? You spend all your time not understanding it so how can you have come to the conclusion of it being "decent".
Juz maybe trying to get a rise and all that bollox (i must assume that with the absense of any intellegent debate) but there we go, happy days!
Well read. I'm off
haha
xx
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Post by Matt on Jul 21, 2008 19:56:44 GMT
If i google search Smarties' it will provide me with some valuable links from the bbc website and wikipedia which I can use to show I know my stuff, so watch out.
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Post by juz on Jul 21, 2008 20:08:32 GMT
Matt now you have a Sun viewpoint on Afghan society, they had a flourishing country not far off from ours before what happened with Russia, you don't know squat. Not trynna get a rise as you dont have an argument
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Post by fuckmyass on Jul 21, 2008 21:31:06 GMT
juz doing exactly what matt said he did. well suck my balls and call me mary, some people call me the space cowboy, others call me a complete and utter twit! juzzy wuzzy cant jump
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Post by NWO on Jul 21, 2008 22:27:31 GMT
what a thicko
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Post by juz on Jul 22, 2008 14:34:06 GMT
I'm am allowed my point of view, even if you silly goons try and gang up, which is most cowardly of you might I add. Not seeing a relevance between the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 is absurd its what followed. From reading the dumb shit written by others Im pretty sure its Matt trying to make sure he has back up. After 9/11 Afghanistan was obviously a target for harbouring the suspects, yes! but that country needed liberating for many other reasons, i.e it was shafted left right centre... you gave me your worldly view and said that if the taliban would of been wrong uns then the Afghan people would of revolted, not exactly your words, but the jist, yep? You must of got this idea from somewhere, and Im not definately sure but I think I might have heard alex jones say the same thing, don't quote me though, or use it for a point of argument, hence me saying you being a puppet for conspiracy theorists. I believe that the Taliban needed to be removed and were for all meanings of the word "terrorists" at this point you claimed I got my information from 'the sun' newspaper, that piece of shit tabloid. I asked you to prove me wrong, I know it was irrelevant to the original debate but since you goaded me and sullied my point of view by saying I read that shit rag I asked you to prove me wrong. A simple task it would of seemed if I was reading a Tabloid and you had a better source of information saying otherwise, as you do with your 9/11 theories, cos you do have an vast amount of information on that I do not deny. I am still waiting for your sources that claims my point of view is wrong, Im not twistingf anything, you called me a sun reader so you should easily be able to slay me with information, but you don't you wriggle , and stay quite and say its irrelevant, and say Im twisting things to suit me, when all Im saying is prove me wrong on a country who's history is very well documented. And the truth is Matt you can't, because youve been fed so much shit and half truths that you can't see the world past all the crap fed to you blocking your view. One more point though, If 9/11 was a false flag attack, what do you hope to achieve by alerting the masses?Do you really think they won't have a failsafe in the form of a scapegoat i.e Rogue CIA agents or double crossing politicians, do you really think the corruption in society will crumble, it will just make people that little bit more suspicous of the government and then they'll go back to there daily lives. Carry on, old chum. I don't want to stop you, I wish you all the best, but theres a time when every subversive looks at there beliefs and puts them into question, and if you question them to much? ?
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Post by Matt on Jul 22, 2008 15:57:42 GMT
Thank you Juz. A good reply.
Afganistan's history is well documented from a western view. That should be obvious, what we think is wrong isn't neccessary another man's wrong. Asking me to provide you a source for where i came to this conclusion is irrelevent, what do you want me to do go google it, I'll think for myself ta, i could give you a youtube video with someone else talking about it, but i'll just talk about it myself thanks! Some of the hate towards the west is coming from an eastern view, most com from the fact their lands and people have been raped and pillaged by the west throughout history. Hate can be used very effciently. But thats another story! The war against the occupation (west) in Afganistan has been going on for 7 years, it will go on for alot longer too, it's not a war against terrorism for "freedom" and fake democracy , it's a war against the people of Afganistan who do not want us there so they can stick to their fucked up agenda of empire money and power, the Taleban were not fought against this passionatly and for this long by the people when they came and took power, and yet the people, and it is the people (call them taleban/Al qaida, thats just a nice scary name for anyone against the occupation) fighting against the western occupation.
I didn't say you got your info from the sun, i said you sounded like a sun reader in terms of coming from the opinion that the west went an "liberated" the people from the Taleban just out of good nature, cus "we love freedom", etc etc...it costs billions to occupy a country, so....as if mate, thats just ridiculous. The world just doesnt work like that, your an open minded guy, at least see that. The invasions wern't deamed illiegal by the UN for no reason...even those fuckers were aware things were being taken too far, to put it plainly.
I've never heard Alex Jones's opinion on this particular subject, but then I've only seen his a handfull of his documentaries and I don't remember most of them, apart from the last one, Endgame i think, back when you yourself were keen on his work, not paid attention to him for a long time. None of us really do. The documentaries are a good start though, anyway, that aside...
"If 9/11 was an inside job, then what do you hope to achieve by alerting the masse's etc"....true juz, very true, and i'm glad you made that point, people are so apathetic against reacting....and that is what the majority of the battle is, to make people change from this, its will more than likely continue through the generations, the battle is against the "white-van-man" mentality, the upstanding christian majoroty, the "good-old-blighty" mentality, the selective history taught in school, the tabloid bombardment, the double-thinking conditioning, the "they hate us because we're free" lot, the secret societies, the string-pullers and money owners and shadows at the fucking top. It was just getting started 50, 100 and probably more years ago, and it's still getting started now, the internet is and did change everything though. More people are paying attention, more people are giving a shit. They'll stamp us down most likely, but that's what freedom is lol (borrowed from 1984 lol)
There also comes a time when you make someone question their world view and they take a look at their beliefs, and if you question that too much?
The fact you read and replied well is appreciated.
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Post by Matt on Jul 22, 2008 16:00:12 GMT
My point is that as a UK resident, whether I was oppressed or not, I would be throroughly pissed off if another nation flew over to the UK, bombed and killed people, then stamped it's own ideology on what I perceived as my cultural heritage. I'm just saying that even a complete idiot would find an invasion by a polar opposite culture offensive and hostile, whether a conspiracy theory surrounds it or not. If that isn't a basic fact, I will buy the Stereophonics entire back catalogue... ...so please don't argue with me too much. I may become suicidal after that. nice one Dunc, i'm glad you spelt it out that way!
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Post by davecox on Jul 25, 2008 14:06:15 GMT
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Post by arseface on Jul 27, 2008 17:37:26 GMT
I'm am allowed my point of view, even if you silly goons try and gang up, which is most cowardly of you might I add. Not seeing a relevance between the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 is absurd its what followed. From reading the dumb shit written by others Im pretty sure its Matt trying to make sure he has back up. After 9/11 Afghanistan was obviously a target for harbouring the suspects, yes! but that country needed liberating for many other reasons, i.e it was shafted left right centre... you gave me your worldly view and said that if the taliban would of been wrong uns then the Afghan people would of revolted, not exactly your words, but the jist, yep? You must of got this idea from somewhere, and Im not definately sure but I think I might have heard alex jones say the same thing, don't quote me though, or use it for a point of argument, hence me saying you being a puppet for conspiracy theorists. I believe that the Taliban needed to be removed and were for all meanings of the word "terrorists" at this point you claimed I got my information from 'the sun' newspaper, that piece of shit tabloid. I asked you to prove me wrong, I know it was irrelevant to the original debate but since you goaded me and sullied my point of view by saying I read that shit rag I asked you to prove me wrong. A simple task it would of seemed if I was reading a Tabloid and you had a better source of information saying otherwise, as you do with your 9/11 theories, cos you do have an vast amount of information on that I do not deny. I am still waiting for your sources that claims my point of view is wrong, Im not twistingf anything, you called me a sun reader so you should easily be able to slay me with information, but you don't you wriggle , and stay quite and say its irrelevant, and say Im twisting things to suit me, when all Im saying is prove me wrong on a country who's history is very well documented. And the truth is Matt you can't, because youve been fed so much shit and half truths that you can't see the world past all the crap fed to you blocking your view. One more point though, If 9/11 was a false flag attack, what do you hope to achieve by alerting the masses?Do you really think they won't have a failsafe in the form of a scapegoat i.e Rogue CIA agents or double crossing politicians, do you really think the corruption in society will crumble, it will just make people that little bit more suspicous of the government and then they'll go back to there daily lives. Carry on, old chum. I don't want to stop you, I wish you all the best, but theres a time when every subversive looks at there beliefs and puts them into question, and if you question them to much? ?
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Post by arsebreath on Jul 27, 2008 17:38:34 GMT
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Post by NWA on Jul 27, 2008 17:52:17 GMT
It is confidence boosting to know that this ginger minger can make us all feel just a little bit more cleverer than we thought.
read cant read to good that lad read splappy spaz
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Post by davecox on Jul 28, 2008 9:28:24 GMT
so does anyone want to comment on my very relevant point(s)...? Why did George W. Bush sign executive order W199i, prohibiting the FBI and CIA from arresting members of Al Qaeda (before 911)?! www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#w199iHow come Larry Silverstein's extremely suspicious $7 billion insurance scam (highest insurance payout ever!) was not investigated, even when he was caught on film admitting that they 'made the decision to pull the bulding' (pull=phrase in the industry for controlled demolition). Preparing a controlled demolition takes weeks to prepare and they did it in a few hours, and it fell in on itself at free fall speed. and to quote NWA on page 2 of this thread (who was quoting Charlie Brookers): "Like nutbag creationists, they fixate on thinly spread, cherry-picked nuggets of "evidence" and ignore the thundering mass of data pointing the other way" comon then charlie explain to me my last 2 points of 'thinly spread, cherry-picked nuggests of evidence' and SHOW me the 'thundering mass of data pointing the other way', smartarse!! also would anyone like to comment on... this well made documentary covering the on going activism for 911 truth; video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6558849874454763730
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