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Post by iwan on Feb 26, 2007 0:06:01 GMT
Personally before I downloaded anything I'd eat dog shit...let's face it the reason me,you & Crud are looking at this new thread is that we might not have the sames tastes but we all live for the music.....here's the deal.....when I was 12 (1978) I got a paper round & every Saturday went to the Kavern Records in the old market & bought 4 singles,for my 13th birthday I sent my blessed mum to buy me the Ramones "It's Alive" & a "Never Mind The Bollocks" picture disc. Now what's happened to the music buying world....even though I have a healty vinyl collection,my cd collection of 1000+ fills me with pride & at times just staring at it fills me with joy..worries me,not just because my living is selling music but because it's become so throw away....eg..a certain Mr "where hall i park Noddy's car" told me he liked Arab Strap so much he'd downloaded 10 of their albums,whereas I (despite hating Arab Strap) need to have the whole package inmy hand & read the sleevenotes...my love of reggae is well known & if you can find anyone who can download the smell of a dubplate send him to Bedford Street....I'm very pissed....goodnight
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Post by iwan on Feb 26, 2007 0:20:06 GMT
Shit I just read that back & it read like the complete bollocks ranting of a piised idiot (funny that isn't it)....I'd just love to some kid today to have the thrill I had when I cycled to Kavern to buy London Calling rather than downloading it to see if it was worth it..I'll get my coat....................who loves vinyl? C'mon let's here from ya
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Post by Matt on Feb 26, 2007 8:53:36 GMT
Fuckin good post. Im the same, when playing a new album, i like the ritual of taking it out of its plastic wrapping, opening the case and puttin it in the player and hitting play, looking at the artwork, reading the lyrics and notes, its all part of it. Ok downloading is great for accessibility of music, etc but id rather go without sometimes. I got into copying cds off people a while ago, and now im finding myself buying the orginals of the ones i copied...which some would say is ridiclus...not me
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Post by Matt on Feb 26, 2007 8:54:31 GMT
i just realised i sound like a twat, oh well, it suits me!
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Post by neilcrud on Feb 26, 2007 9:26:35 GMT
Yes I'm in total agreement Iwan and MAtt - I think The Jam's 'When You're Young' or Specials 'Gangsters' or Devo's 'Secret Agent Man' were the first singles I bought, I got into punk in 1978 after Yosser played me Sham 69's 'Rip Off' down the phone to me. He had a great collection even then and I taped loads of stuff off him before taking the plunge and buying me own stuff. We were so poor(divorced mother 3 kids) that we didn't have a record player so I used to go to my cousins to play my treasured possessions. Like Iwan, I too got a paper round and was soon snapping up whatever obscure vinyl Kev, Scratch and Pete in the Kavern would unearth from under the counter. Then it was onto mail order stuff, where I bought every release by the record companies Riot City, No Future, Alternative Tentacles, Rot, Xsentrik Noize etc as they came out. I amassed an enormous collection (and Iwan has lived off the proceeds of it for a good few years now...!!). I then went to college in Wrexham; I got £14 a week of my parents and most of it was spent in Phase 1 Records! I get Iwan's point totally about the Arab Strap download - it was a case of I had heard one song on 6 Music; and yes I didn't have to d/load 10 albums (for free!) - but if I don't like them I can delete them. My music listening comes from 6 Music, Adam Walton and the stuff bands send to me these days. When I buy CDs (only from Pinhead Records on Bedford St, Rhyl) I shove it straight onto my iPod (the last being Chron Gen's 'Nowhere To Run') and then the CD sits on my shelf forever.
Don't even know if I'm making a point here or telling my life story... again..!!!
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Post by Duncan on Feb 26, 2007 9:55:36 GMT
I prefer CDs.
I finally bought a CD player in 1998 - got tons of the bastards now. Downloads just don't have the same appeal & I find myself downloading crap just for the sake of it.
I don' t have much vinyl, but what I do own is interesting. I only buy vinyl if it's not available on any other format, so I've got a few rarities.
Why am I discussing this stuff?
I'll be posting on forums next.
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Post by eezabrute on Feb 26, 2007 12:38:57 GMT
i do prefer buying vinyls and cd's, but sometimes you find out about a band and when you go to buy something from them, they're "out of print" or blah blah blah. that's probably the only reason to download an album, otherwise it would be vinyl or cd. which reminds me, i need to have a proper gander at pin head records. have you still got that anti-sect vinyl iwan?
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Post by joehovis on Feb 26, 2007 13:35:15 GMT
ipods are too complicated, i use my trusty cd walkman to listen to tunes when out and about. I knicked my dads vinyl player and records and discovered afew gems and brought a couple of slabs of vinyl, but i cant listen to them on the go, and there far too easy to scratch. Cd's it is for me!
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Post by Matt on Feb 26, 2007 13:36:39 GMT
ste i have that antisect album, i will copy it for you lol!
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Post by iwan on Feb 26, 2007 16:38:15 GMT
haha nice one,someone actually brought a blank cdr into my shop last week & asked if i'd copy a cd that was for sale! potentially the most stupid question since i was asked if i mended zips,when i asked why the guy thought i'd mend zips in a record shop he said "you've got t-shirts in the window",good old bedford street,makes royston vasey look like knightsbridge.
regressing..yes steve at the time of writing i do still have the anti-sect lp
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Post by Matt on Feb 26, 2007 16:52:37 GMT
not if i get there 1st. i just bought a record deck Ooooohahaha. Nah, ste, ill let u spend your hard earned pennies on it, i dont need it twice, all though, vinyl does add more character, so hmmm!
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Post by markwj on Feb 26, 2007 17:09:29 GMT
vinyl still edges it for me, though i get cd's largely for practical (play all areas) purposes. some of my vinyl is fucked, whcih breaks my heart, but 20 minute blasts of nostalgic noise brings great happiness. some of my favourite times was skiving off work whilst driving round the country to find the local inde record shop in town x or y, and purchasing whatever obscure gems you might find there. trouble was if i went back months later you'd often find that you'd got their best stuff (to your tastes) and the stock never changed again. I know that's not true at pinhead and will really have to visit again presently, i'm already gathering my part-exies!
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Post by 0 on Feb 26, 2007 17:53:55 GMT
Well here I am, the (second) oldest regular user on this board after (Mr Rastin), brought up on the old 45rpms and I don't own any vinyl, haven't bought a new CD for about 4 years (although I get loads sent me) I buy downloads, I don't give a shit about all the fancy packaging (I check the bands web site for the info) Fancy packaging doesn't earn the band any more money, takes up valuable storage space and gets lost far too easily. No I like my downloads, best thing to happen to music since the electric banjo. This is the 21st century, get with the programme.
Plus downloads now means that anybody can release their music to the masses with the minimum of outlay. No big labels ripping them off by giving them (if they are lucky) 8% of sales. -- do you know that Sony/BMG still charges an artist an extra 25% of that 8% for breakages (set up for vinyl but never removed when CD came in) plus they can charge another 20% just for the fact the release is on CD --why? coz Sony developed the CD, spent billions doing so and are now re-coping it from their artists. Keep your romance about vinyl and CDs but they aren't helping the artist just lining the pockets of the labels. Download payments still aren't perfect but at least, as an artist, you can see who is shafting you and by how much.
If a band is lucky enough to see their album go gold and are signed to a major (and let's face it not many indie labels achieve this amount of sales ) the artist can still owe the label around £110,000!!
And don't get me started on distribution costs!
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(anybody want to buy an 8 track player?)
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Post by iwan on Feb 26, 2007 19:32:00 GMT
Fairy muff Martin,I'm sure the you make some valid points regards the financial aspects,something I know zilch about,but my gripe with the way music is going that it's become too dispensable,like Neil said about downloading 10 Arab Strap albums & if he didn't like them he could just delete them,there doesn't to be any longevity with a new next big thing appearing every other week,that might be a load of bollocks but it's just the way it seems to me.The closest I'm ever going to get to your way of thinking is owning an ipod but even that has only got my cd's on it,I couldn't have something just on my ipod & not own the actual album. You carry on downloading to your hearts content,I'll spend my rainy days with a pile of battered old ska singles & we'll all live happily every after!
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Post by 0 on Feb 26, 2007 19:59:16 GMT
Here's something else for you Iwan ...did you know that record companies at one time tried to get second hand record shops closed for illegally distributing records. Seems they didn't like the idea of anybody making money out of "their" product if they weren't getting a share.
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