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Post by Drunk idiot on Jan 27, 2010 23:20:57 GMT
This shocking abuse shows a bad handle on our beloved language and a lack of intellect. Thicken that skin chaps. Let me reiterrate my sentiments: 1.)You are a forum for alternative music. 2.)Alternative music does not mean shockingly bad. 3.)It is on the older peers of this forum to give an honest well rounded opinion with helpfull pointers. Just because I like music which is performed well and has a high production value does not mean I'm a fan of miss Boyle and to assume so is obviously the reason where having this disagreement in the first place. You seem to think anything done to a high degree of professionalism is pop and anything else is alternative. And no! I dont care if your music is mastered that doesnt make it good, excrement and pledge comes to mind. Figure it out men, this isnt a personal attack as you all have so wrongly concluded. I am a fan of global alternative culture and would like to see North Wales pulling its weight. As for doing it myself, Im a retired musician ergo a career. In music. From which I have retired. Rather succesfully and comfortably. I'm sure you could work it out. I disagree. Noisey bands who create disonant/atonal music and STILL manage to have professional and often amazing productions with truly great performances include (but are not limited to) - Pantera, Dillinger Escape Plan, Godflesh, Aphex Twin, Mr Bungle, Captain Beefheart, Atari Teenage Riot, Strapping Young Lad, King Crimson, Rage Against the Machine, Queens Of The Stone Age, Sepultura, Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Arctic Monkeys, Napalm Death, Jesu, Dalek, Frank Zappa, Helmet, Beastie Boys, Primus, Fudge Tunnel, Nailbomb etc, etc, etc... There are a lot of bands in North Wales who do similar things, but I won't name them because they will get slagged off. My musical taste has probably given my identity away but I don't care. The point still stands. There was a quote some years back. It's a bit of an old cliche - 'If it's too loud you're too old'. Those words may be cheesey as fuck, but if I go by them I am a lot younger at heart than wankalank.
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Post by Dickface on Jan 28, 2010 0:25:29 GMT
OK wankalank - I'll level with you.
What do you LIKE listening to? What would you LIKE to hear?
Do you like technical, harmonious, melodic rock? Do you want art rock? What are we talking here? Rush? Pink Floyd?
Or are you into the more punk end of things with a hint of dignity? The Clash? I'm being serious!
Maybe you are into avant-garde dance music? Aphex Twin? KLF?
Or do you want absolute originality with no connections to anything else in the world. That is a tall order comrade.
What the fuck do you want? Maybe it ACTUALLY EXISTS!
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 11:37:58 GMT
"See its not about money and professionalism" This speaks volumes.
If you think music doesnt need money well you are very wrong. Any bunch of semi illitreate musicians can bash out some keys make a CD and get like minded numbskulls to listen to it, but the quality of music on a whole is degraded by this inability to conform to the idea of perfection. Yes they may be dedicated, by God those boys work hard but all their effort will be wasted if someone doesnt come along and say "Boys you try damn hard but your CD is horse shit and it will contrinue to be horseshit untill you invest this amount of bucks into your production"
@drunken Idiot
I know of those bands you speak, and they are very much to my taste. They are what you call well crafted and professional noise, something few actually grasp. They have been tailored, engineered and are well thought out. Making noise in attempt to replicate these or any other well known artist using this style without the right know how only results in fail.
@dickface
I listen to lots of underground, the type where there is an infinite amount available but only a few, every so often filters through and is actually any good. This is my point here, due to home studios and easy access to production software the market is completely saturated with dedicated but half arsed musicians. Noone is breaking through from North Wales and I fear it is for other people on here to tell them why. Only, you cant give an honest opinion on here without being ridiculed by all and there brothers due to this feeling that if you "bad mouth the muso's they wont make any more music." Hogswash. Theyll make it better if you say they need to.
Yet again: Grow some balls men.
That is all.
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Post by whales on Jan 28, 2010 13:18:23 GMT
Wankalank You ask for inspiring new music but it sounds like what you really want is another Oasis cover band. Jack off to some more bland folk songs about your inspiring landscapes and rich welsh culture.
Money has no place in Art. If you make music to make money you are the sonic equivalent of a class enemy. PERIOD. Production quality has NOTHING to do with cash. "Well crafted noise"?! Its either a band you like or a band you don't like you bitches' tail.
If you find our bands too noisy then stay the FUCK out of the gigs or we'll gang rape you in. the. ears.
It'll do you a world of good and fingers crossed you'll get the BAD AIDS from all that shit and bloody pus in your auditory canal.
Its our fucking future - get out of it now before its too late. It will be loud, at times it will be shit but at least we can call it our own.
THERE ARE OUR BALLS.
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Post by tomleucine on Jan 28, 2010 13:37:12 GMT
Well said yo!
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 14:17:33 GMT
Pathetic, yet typical responses from parochial inbred shortsighted idiots
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 15:12:09 GMT
seems there is an imposter.
Dear Mr Whales.
I'm really sorry I hurt your feelings. You are very big in your own world and that is good. Young and idealistic is such a beautiful thing to be, stupid but quite beautiful. Money never made music musicians made music, quite.
We need to draw a line here. Hands up, who makes music just for themselves? stashing it away so noone except you and your loves can here? No? Well please be quiet and listen.
You make music to be heard, it's ego driven and the more you dress it in this translucent veil of mediocrity through obscurity the more your lying to your future selves and any generation that follow in your footsteps. What you call selling out, others call growing up. That noise you make to reflect your angst only reflects the immaturity you have shown on the quest to becoming a full fledged human being, aiming your oedipal anger at unaccountable icons as far away as your mind will stretch. Thinking this quest your on means something to the few followers you have banded together under the moniker of misled waste aways, passionate in proportion to the skillsets you lack to go with the grain.
Why cant you see that music is universal, eternal. It fills the soul with joy and takes us to places that our learning mind has never been. We've all been angry at times and had a little rant but most well adjusted beings move on from this and create something which holds significance to a vast scale of souls. Bridge that gap, son. Bridge that gap.
Answer me this, If your so satisfied with the sound you produce why do you feel the need to attack someone with an opposing opinion?
And once again: forum: say what you like.
That is all.
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Post by NWPR on Jan 28, 2010 16:25:15 GMT
Wankalank.....
You're a complete fucking anus head
Answer me this, If your so satisfied with the sound you produce why do you feel the need to attack someone with an opposing opinion?
Who was it that started a thread called "your music's shite"
fuck off and decompose in your own self indulgent wankery you fucking tossing piece of anal detritus
that is all
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 16:41:39 GMT
I'm not attacking anyone individually darling, just the users of this forum.
And why, you ask. I want to hear better from these shores. These parts have an incestuous following because a. Good bands rarely travel here, and b. your friends opinion is all that matters even though your friends like you and your music.
Outsiders opinions distinguish the truth from the yes mens yes'.
You should value my opinion as all I am striving for is to inspire greatness in you all and all I get is insults.
How unfair.
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Post by Matt on Jan 28, 2010 17:55:25 GMT
How bored and tragic must a person be to pretend to be different people having a debate. It is obvious by the way.
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 18:41:38 GMT
Matt
If its so obvious sir why dont you spit it out? Because your psychology tactics of assuming knowledge on a persons identity goes hand in hand with the put down you use to establish imagery in the readers mind with terminology to bring the posters character into disrepute. You do this often, and based on my knowledge of psychology and language, its used as a mirror to deflect from oneself to bring about insecurities in your so called competitor which you feel within yourself. did you have a point to make?
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Post by Matt on Jan 28, 2010 20:07:57 GMT
Well, when one uses one's eyes and brain to read YOUR posts, it is very obvious. Probably even taking the time to go to another IP to avoid "security" noting the fact it's from the same place. ahhahahahahahaaaaaa look i've given you the response you have been pleading for, a reaction. An anonymous poster claiming an identity and character that could be brought in to disrepute?! Have you heard yourself you tit. Yes Im very insecure, it plagues me, help me help me mr anonymous self righteous, so bored you spend time posting as multiple persons debating with each other. Hello?! Ice cream?! doh.
There's the point you thick fuck.
Oh your my competitor are you? Oh are you really hahaha. I have a competitor apprently. Amused.
I'll now return to having a life. Feel free to expose youself with varied insults hidden behind anonyminity, your so brave, good little soldier.
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 20:13:34 GMT
Well, when one uses one's eyes and brain to read YOUR posts, it is very obvious. Probably even taking the time to go to another IP to avoid "security" noting the fact it's from the same place. ahhahahahahahaaaaaa look i've given you the response you have been pleading for, a reaction. An anonymous poster claiming an identity and character that could be brought in to disrepute?! Have you heard yourself you tit. Yes Im very insecure, it plagues me, help me help me mr anonymous self righteous, so bored you spend time posting as multiple persons debating with each other. Hello?! Ice cream?! doh. There's the point you thick fuck. Oh your my competitor are you? Oh are you really hahaha. I have a competitor apprently. Amused. I'll now return to having a life. Feel free to expose youself with varied insults hidden behind anonyminity, your so brave, good little soldier. Quite. It is you who insults and I only post under one pseudonym, making everything you wrote obsolete while my original point still remains valid.
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Post by Matt on Jan 28, 2010 20:18:44 GMT
oh really, you only use one pseudonym, well you sold it to me, I believe you, I really do, honestly. Obviously you find some fullfillment from it, so I shall not judge you on your pleasures alone.
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Post by wankalank on Jan 28, 2010 20:41:44 GMT
opinions are like assholes, everyone's one
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