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Post by neilcrud on Apr 12, 2008 7:26:18 GMT
Yes but where Denbigh lacked in original music it made up for it with inbreeding and violence towards poultry...
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Post by Duncan on Apr 19, 2008 10:26:46 GMT
Just heard 'Swift Kick in the Shins'.
Hints of Arctic Monkeys, and the mid section reminds me of the Dead Kennedys - lots of reverbed 'surf' guitar which is always nice. Maybe I'll get into trouble for saying this, but can anyone else see a similarity between the vocal style on this song and that of Sultans of Ping FC?
Whatever the case, it shows a lot of improvement.
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Post by MR WOLF on Apr 19, 2008 11:16:06 GMT
ALL THIS IS BOLLOCKS LETS ADMIT IT NO BAND IN N.WALES IS GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE GRADE OR HAVE THE GUTS TO GET OUT THERE AND DO IT
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Post by tom on Apr 19, 2008 19:15:40 GMT
what a cock
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Post by Duncan on Apr 20, 2008 11:19:57 GMT
ALL THIS IS BOLLOCKS LETS ADMIT IT NO BAND IN N.WALES IS GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THE GRADE OR HAVE THE GUTS TO GET OUT THERE AND DO IT Having been in many of the bands you're referring to, I'd say there's a very different problem relating to a very corrupt media and a certain 'language barrier', but each to their own. There's a ton of bands who've either 'made the grade' or 'gone out there and done it'. Unfortunately, the local media doesn't give a shit about any of them - discounting Crud, Walton and a pocket full of other campaigners. Most bands who've made something of themselves in the eyes of the mainstream media have either gone down the route of singing in Welsh for media coverage, or simply moved away to an area less concerned with the politics of language, more with the actual music. Mr Crud has already documented a wealth of these bands on his database. Maybe do a little revision? However - your post is a good one for fuelling debate. Doubtless there'll be a lot more replies.
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Post by adamwalton on Apr 20, 2008 12:43:53 GMT
I don't know whether the media is corrupt, Mr. Black... it just happens to be, for the most part, based elsewhere.
I get quite a bit of grief off bands in South Wales who think my show is biased [towards Cardiff, oddly]. It's hard to maintain geographical fairness when a lot of that geography isn't on your doorstep. It's a personal bugbear of mine because of the utterly dismissive attitude that existed towards North East Wales all those years ago when I was in a band. So I do do my best to represent as fairly as I can.
Ironically the likes of Catatonia and SFA were accused of singing in English to get mainstream media attention from some in the Welsh language 'scene'.
The biggest injustice in Wales is that the more mainstream media in the English language don't offer the same opportunities for Welsh musicians / musicians based in Wales as S4C and Radio Cymru do. Any musician who grew up in Wales but sang in English has looked with very green eyes at the opportunities given to their compatriots simply because they happen to sing in the 'right' language. That imbalance has never been addressed, and that is verging on the tragic.
But it isn't 'the media's' fault. It's the regulators. If S4C, for example, were given a clear remit to cover Welsh music, regardless of the language that it is sung in, then they would have to adhere to that or they would lose their license to broadcast [eventually].
But, of course, that's not going to happen because 1) their remit / funding are intrinsically linked towards providing support for the Welsh language & 2) how many musicians / aggrieved & disenfranchised artists have ever bothered protesting about this to their MP, or the media regulators. I never did!
If you're going to piss in the wind, you need to get your cock out.
Figuratively speaking, of course!
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Post by Anonymous raper on Apr 20, 2008 13:03:01 GMT
Yes and theres the welsh rap awards, where you dont win dogshit if your an ignorant invader and dont speak the local lingo, most Welsh rappers Ive heard sound like there welsh nash with some really harsh lyrics towards outsiders, I only know this as I got our las to translate as she's fluent. Im too lazy and pig ignorant to learn welsh or any other language, but that isnt my fault its just probability, some people learn and achieve lots in their lifetime while others do jac, we can't all be winners can we?
I hate my life somebody kill me, Im to gutless to off myself.
Love ya xxxxx
oof.
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Post by raper bak on Apr 20, 2008 13:06:06 GMT
Yeah its a nice song but they do sound like a monkey.
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Post by fart on Apr 20, 2008 14:14:10 GMT
this same old tiresome argument/debate is becoming boring. why not add similar debates as a sticky to the top of the thread or summin so people can just refer to that, save everyone repeating the same opinions would'nt it!
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Post by raper like hammer on Apr 20, 2008 15:44:57 GMT
Sorry grandad, I can't recall anyone remarking on the songs singer sounding similar to simians.
But good call, people should do this properly or else not at all, if you want to discuss anything other than the subject stated, start a new topic. Form an orderly line, alphabetically so each get their turn.
Organisation is the key to social harmony.
Over and out.
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Post by Duncan on Apr 20, 2008 15:47:45 GMT
I don't know whether the media is corrupt, Mr. Black... it just happens to be, for the most part, based elsewhere. Ironically the likes of Catatonia and SFA were accused of singing in English to get mainstream media attention from some in the Welsh language 'scene'. The biggest injustice in Wales is that the more mainstream media in the English language don't offer the same opportunities for Welsh musicians / musicians based in Wales as S4C and Radio Cymru do. If you're going to piss in the wind, you need to get your cock out. Figuratively speaking, of course! I see your point - I may have gone a bit too far there. My anger with the issue stems from the fact that I'm an instrumental musician. I was refused distribution on a release once because my music wasn't deemed 'Welsh' enough. As I had no lyrics, I enquired as to how I would qualify for this esteemed accolade. I was told I'd have to change my name to 'something more Welsh' - this was difficult as according to the PRS forms I was called 'Duncan Black'. I suppose I should have re-applied as 'Dafydd Ddu'. Apart from that I had dealings with people from S4C who very much wanted to give me airplay on TV but couldn't, as there were no Welsh lyrics. The simple fact is - there were no lyrics whatsoever. It was very frustrating and a waste of everyone's time. Maybe if I'd shoe-horned in a Welsh chorus or something it would have gone ahead, but my voice is awful and it would have wrecked the music. The reason I don't have lyrics is because they attach a literal meaning to the music. As a guitarist, I prefer to have the sounds as the main focus. Consequently, I don't use language at all. As you quite rightly point out though - no-one ever questions this stuff. As I live in Kent, I have little right to pursue a campaign against these bizarre codes of practice, but I've often wondered why no-one else has. Maybe I should have done something years ago.
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IM TELLIN YOU SHES GOT A DICK SON!
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Post by damien6040 on Apr 25, 2008 12:52:05 GMT
this is mental..........Can there not be a post on this site without it morphing into a n.wales music scene debate...THE FACT IS...........THE NEW DER BOMBER TRACK IS REALLY FUCKING GOOD! The vocals have a northern feel to them so er go the artic monkeys reference and correct me if im wrong, der bombers drummer is heavily influenced by punk bands e.g less than jake, reel big fish, and others, which would explain gd's other comment.....THATS IS IT PEOPLE. DER BOMBER = GOOD BAND. NEW TRACK= GOOD SONG. BUT MUCH AS ID LIKE TO LEAVE IT THERE, WELLY MY OLD SON! I WOULD BE INSULTED BY YOUR HOMESPUNK JAUNTS, BUT WE ARE OUR BIGGEST CRITICS, NO NEED FOR IT TO BE HONEST MATE, NO NEED TO BRING US IN TO IT AT ALL, YOU CAN COMPARE THE TWO BANDS ALL DAY FUCKING LONG, AND BITCH AND WHINGE ABOUT WHOS BETTER AND WHO SOUNDS LIKE THE ARTIC MONKEYS AND WHO SOUNDS LIKE AN AMERICAN BAND AND..... ALL...... THAT........ JAZZ! BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS DER BOMBER ARE MAKING THE MUSIC THEY WANT TO MAKE....AS ARE WE... EVERYTIME WE GET MENTIONED SOME PRICK GOES DER BOMBER ARE BETTER! UUUGGGHH UUGGHH WOE IS ME SOMEONE SAID HOMESPUN WERE GOOD.....URGH URGGH DER BOMBER ARE BETTER...IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER WHOS BETTER! ITS ABOUT TASTE......ITS A FACT SOME PEOPLE WILL LIKE DER BOMBERS MUSIC MORE THAN OURS AND VICE VERSA.....
SO IN CONCLUSION....DER BOMBER ARE A GREAT BAND WITH A BRIGHT FUTURE IN MUSIC......AND AS ALWAYS INSTEAD OF SLAGGIN PEOPLE OFF ON THE INTERNET WHY NOT COME AND DISCUSS THESE MATTERS PERSONALLY!
HOMESPUN HA SEMPRE RAGIONE!
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Post by Ben Kingsley on Apr 25, 2008 18:52:57 GMT
Der Bomber are better
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Post by damien6040 on Apr 27, 2008 10:22:02 GMT
You know what mate....you're totally right! You have open my eyes to the reality that is our complete inferiority to all other music offerings ever made and forthcoming...i will do the right thing..and fucking end my own life in honour of your, genius, valour, courage and divine knowledge of all things musical! MY LIFE IS A LIE! IF YOU FIND MY BODY PLEASE PUT IT IN A SUITCASE AND LEAVE IT THE GARDEN SHED FOR THREE MONTHS AS THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY I WILL EVER MAKE ANY MARK ON LIFE!
GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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