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Post by neilcrud on Nov 10, 2009 0:03:39 GMT
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Post by juz on Nov 10, 2009 1:32:38 GMT
Idiots with megaphones, terrorism doesnt exist? okay then what the fuck is this all about. forum.uncoverreality.com/audio-video/middle class gobshites, if you think terrorism doesnt exist follow the link theres about 5000 videos on there of suicide insurgents and beheadings, if thats not terrorism then fuck me with the Qur'an with a Burka on.
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Post by Matt on Nov 10, 2009 18:12:27 GMT
Really fuckin good. Neil knows he;s gonna get a response to this, he likes a good debate, or reading one being had by others I should say? . I'll avoid pages of replying to the same one (or maybe two) people. One would have to be an idiot to say Terrorism doesnt exist. We have a massive increase in terrorism (by Islamic extremists) inspired by what is clearly inside-jobs (or whatever name you want to give it) i.e 9/11 and 7/7, and i'm sorry to say we'll have alot more terrorism from people we are supposed to trust. Argue till your blue in the face about that, you'll still be met more more evidence that you can handle if you still think they were purely "Al Quada" It's easy to create an enemy (or more of one) if you have the know-how. And it's easy to be the enemy...if you have the know-how.
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Post by davecox on Nov 11, 2009 13:55:47 GMT
For someone who (and I quote) "likes to find a common ground between people", you do snap at anyone who says anything remotely similar to what we say about the new world order/911 was an inside job etc etc etc, you seem to be very closed minded on the subject, perhaps bitter or in denial of a previous belief you once had, or pretended to have (remember the old intro you used to use in your set with dick lucas bangin on about bohemian grove fuckwits etc)?
Turning everything on its head and questioning everything is something I respect and try to do myself, but putting a spin on things is something completely different. You've tried to associate our band's message with anti-semitism, racism and ignorance in general on several occasions and you know full well we are against all of that.
Are you not able to recognise when someone is trying to do something active to make a positive change in the world (ie the love police video). They didnt say "Terrorism doesnt exist" anyway, they said "Terrorism is an illusion", and I think they were refering to the events of 9/11 and 7/7, the two main catalysts for the current wars the country we live in is involved in.
And anyway, whether they are right or wrong is not the point, they are trying, you cant expect a revolution mirroring your exact views when theres so much diversity in the world, and you say yourself you like to find common ground between people. Surely a positive attitude of encouragement towards all civil disobedients/anti war activity is the best way to go about things...?
your thoughts please...?
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Post by juz on Nov 11, 2009 19:20:36 GMT
If I had to choose between here or there I would choose here, If it was between their way or ours I would choose ours. If I had to choose betwen living in fear and living in "ignorance" I'd choose "ignorance". If my mind could be put to use in other ways other than following information which is objective in its need for subversion and reaction and is subjective when coming from a person who I dont know and understand their background. Some people want it to be that black and white and see the authorities as an enemy, therefore any information is tainted with a need for it to be true, there is no grey areas.
I am not saying all is well, far from it, in a world were not all is known, like the once flat earth it feels to me that true inner feelings and instinct are tangible and fact, word of mouth, news reports and subversive information are intangible, a reversal of what were lead to believe. Information, points of view and strong beliefs are all subjective ideas and contradict between people based on their background and experience within this lies tension and misunderstanding and a rift where similarities could be shared but because of people strong views factions are formed.
Its scarey when factions feel the need to be militant i.e Nazi skinheads clashing with foreign groups, the same could be said with leftists attacking the BNP, there is no need for this in our society due to our freedom to speak out on anything we want our belief on immigration policies or terrorist attacks orchestrated by our own government we have a freedom where each voice is allowed to have an opinion which could differ from the majority. If we start telling people that they cant be racist even if they have been burglarised 20 times by the neighbourhood asian thugs then were denying them the rights which makes this country (imo) so great in the first place.
I found that when I had strong beliefs against authority I was blind to reason because no matter what information I got opposing my beliefs I wouldnt give it a second thought due to wanting to believe my reasons for the world being such a shit place as the golden truth and not what the real reason are behind the objective propaghandha, which comes from every side I have found. I have now opened my eyes from information from all sides and taking it on board, thats why I like to play devils advocate a lot because everyone believes there right and behind their opinions their are there reasons for them feeling that way. Thats why I only feel what I know is real by me and not what Ive heard, I believe everything to be right as well as wrong and I see the world as what it truely is absolute CHAOS. I see what society is, a form of structure to the chaos, I see that corruption is personal and not institutional and that every detail of the system is set up for growth of the human race which is cold and cares not for the individual. There are contradictions as well as coincidence and to start being general about a certain facet within my music would only relate and find common ground between a certain group thats why nowadays my lyrics may seem more vague and "apathetic" but this is because I would like to reach everyone and to do this I need to hear the arguments from every side and hopefully when they hear what I have to say they will see my background see Im only doing it for the good of us all, not feel judged on differences and look within others to find the common ground and not the differences like I try to do.
Your views are yours who am I to argue, as for the video I dont feel telling people to not watch TV will stop them its deisgned for entertainment more than control as I know Neil will know from his media background. True protest I have seen which has made a difference usually involves death i.e Emily Pankhurst, Kid in front of the tank, Flaming Monk and Bobby the hungry irish prisoner, that is ot me instigating your untimely demise just saying that if people are willing a life, all theyve ever known to changing something then the people who can change it will listen.
I hope that will suffice, Im off for a jog.
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Post by Duncan on Nov 12, 2009 1:11:50 GMT
I thought the video failed to promote the ideals of the conspiracy theorists OR those who trust the system. It merely highlighted that the majority of the general public fear things and nobody lives in fear more than the conspiracy theorists.
The film makers didn't intimidate the police force, rather show why we shouldn't fear them. They did the same for terrorism and social conformity.
The 'Love Police' are not about which side you are on, they are about shattering the illusion of fear and promoting individualism.
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