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Wet Behind The Ears
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Jan 19, 2009 16:03:44 GMT
Post by 0 on Jan 19, 2009 16:03:44 GMT
Thankfully I don't own a suit
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2008
Apr 3, 2009 15:48:03 GMT
Post by DIY on Apr 3, 2009 15:48:03 GMT
"Labels" are only a name to help you get a gig.
Promoters are the parasites of this industry.
If I have one more "Yeah - how many people can you bring up to scotland - yeah i know you're in wales - but we want a crowd" I will show they're A level style photoshopped shit fonted myspace flyer through their nose!
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Apr 3, 2009 17:04:08 GMT
Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2009 17:04:08 GMT
I think you should have gone with "*money orientated* promoters are the parasites of the industry" and maybe, if you ditched the concept of "industry" altogether you might have a better time, but what do I know I'm just in a shitty diy punk band.
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Apr 3, 2009 18:11:01 GMT
Post by DIY on Apr 3, 2009 18:11:01 GMT
How do you get your message out of you play the same 3 pubs in north wales?
Industry's an evil thing. But we all helped create it.
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Apr 3, 2009 19:16:56 GMT
Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2009 19:16:56 GMT
Why does the term "DIY" only seem to apply effectivly in punk? I mean, it is fairly easy to get gigs where ever you choose in punk after you've put in a bit of graft, but any other genre (for want of a better word) it seems its pretty hard, what the fuck is this mentality I just do not understand. Surely punk is not unique in the sense that there is so much passion for it and the scene that bands always manage to have somewhere to play, but, I'm constantly finding it hard to believe there are people. Many people I know play in metal/indie/whatever bands and it's just dire. Gigs are riddled with competative attitudes, promoters don't seem to get grasp of what their love of music is supposed to mean, venues in turn do not help this, everything comes down to business because the people involved arn't doing it as a DIY hobby but as a source of income.
I would suggest networks with bands and nationwide gig swapping, get your own venue or work with a promoter to sort gig swaps if your not into putting them on yourself.
But then fuck it, who am I to advise people in scenes im only making assumptions about from what my friends have expierienced and I have no interest in the "industry" nor do I want to learn and develop interest in it so my opinion maybe not worth listening to at all!
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Apr 3, 2009 22:10:27 GMT
Post by Pedro on Apr 3, 2009 22:10:27 GMT
Shitty punk scene means nothing
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Apr 4, 2009 14:51:50 GMT
Post by Matt on Apr 4, 2009 14:51:50 GMT
Nice one sunshine!
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Apr 4, 2009 15:02:18 GMT
Post by X on Apr 4, 2009 15:02:18 GMT
Matt hit the nail on the head: there is a punk/hardcore "scene" (shitty or not!) because those people care about the music and the message. There is no local indie/rock/metal etc "scene" because those people would rather trample on each other to get on rather than hold out their hand to help each other.
Just my opinion.
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Apr 5, 2009 5:55:03 GMT
Post by Crudlington IV on Apr 5, 2009 5:55:03 GMT
The reason behind the punk scene is unity - its an identity, and to many, a way of life. you can go anywhere in the world and approach a punk and usually get on together. Its a tribal thing. it happens in other 'cultures' - like with football fans or caravaners but not the extent of punk rock. Particularly modern day punk rock where the attitude of unity has done away with the splintered factions of the late 80s when hardcore, thrash, psychobilly, anarcho etc kind of derailed the movement... Anyway, its 7am and its sunday.... fuck this...!!!!
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Apr 5, 2009 10:12:07 GMT
Post by Matt on Apr 5, 2009 10:12:07 GMT
I do agree it is very tribal. There is alot of shit within it but there would be I guess. Opposite mate. All the different fractions are still there and there is a stronger sense of it now. For example, from the tattoo-ed hierarchy of the middle-class punks to the drug taking ferocity of the angry political crust punks, from the american-hardcore wanna be's to the skanking cheq ridden drunkeds, from the quif-haired macho-phsychobilly singing about bats to the Sid Vicious wanna be...there's different types of people within it but still a sense of unity which goes almost un-said even though there is huge snobbery within the scene still works.
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Apr 5, 2009 16:34:34 GMT
Post by Pedro on Apr 5, 2009 16:34:34 GMT
What the hell has punk done but make kid's subversive and misslead generations of youth into thinking for a short time in their lives that rebellion is actually going to get them somewhere in life. Fortunatly most kids grow out of it and screw their heads back on. Punk is just ridiculous.
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Apr 5, 2009 22:22:10 GMT
Post by Matt on Apr 5, 2009 22:22:10 GMT
I think we were talking about people putting on gigs. I'd pitty any band that isn't appealing to punk culture without booking agents and all that shite trying to book a 10 date tour. Although I hear ya. And Pedro... I was tempted to ignore you, as i realise i am about to start a debate with someone who's either just laying bait so we bite or just an absolute uninformed fuckwitt but fuck it, I'll let some one else explain it to you shall i? Check out a song (say song, it's more spoken word) called "what if punk never happened" by The King Blues and then come back and visit me Cute opinion though, I picture you at home, feet up, watching a documentary on prog rock wishing you could be the person you were when you were "cool" way back in those uni days that you bore everyone with stories about, ya know, before you had to "grow-up" and things!
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Apr 6, 2009 9:07:20 GMT
Post by bastions on Apr 6, 2009 9:07:20 GMT
Punk is what you make it. If you choose to go hair metal and wear the Spandex - but do it because YOU want to do it. Thats punk.
If you choose to have the cliche mohawk and leather while playing beaten up guitars because YOU want to do it. Thats punk.
And god save my soul for saying this - but if an emo band comes around with their stupid haircuts and poserish tight trousers...well as long as their doing it for themselves...
I think the word Punk has become synonimous with "crap out of tune bands" but it's just not so. I personally believe that it's a thing that should be taken on an individual basis as opposed to a general genre. And it can be applied to any genre. Including the much hated "The Metal"
Because it's an attitude first and foremost.
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Apr 6, 2009 18:50:11 GMT
Post by X on Apr 6, 2009 18:50:11 GMT
Matt hit the nail on the head: there is a punk/hardcore "scene" (shitty or not!) because those people care about the music and the message. There is no local indie/rock/metal etc "scene" because those people would rather trample on each other to get on rather than hold out their hand to help each other. Just my opinion. That's quite a big generalisation. In my experience of playing for so many different bands I can't remember, there was a DIY scene for each musical genre. To say metal bands don't have a DIY ethic is plainly absurd. There are absolutley thousands of them doing it as a hobby, and you will meet some very friendly, helpful people. For example, John from Entity has consistently gone out of his way to help other bands. Let's face it, if you sound like Napalm Death or Motley Crue, you are hardly going to get booked to play at a wedding. Go back and read some of MWJs excellent reviews on this site to learn about the vital metal acts who see their music purely as a means of connecting with a fanbase and having a good night out. Also ignored here are the countless 'festival/hippy' acts (see Valleum et al) - they could hardly be called 'career musicians' and I have never seen them trample on anyone for selfish reasons. You will find the same is true for any musical style - jazz, reggae, alternative. There is ALWAYS an underground. Christ knows, Ectogram have been actively promoting the DIY aesthetic in North Wales for a lot longer than almost eveyone else who uses this forum. Evidentally it's a thankless job. If you are into punk music and that's all you listen to, chances are you won't have heard any other form of underground music, simply because you have not attempted to find it. Underground music, by it's very nature does not feature on 50 foot high billboards in the highstreet - you have to go searching, but it is certainly out there. I never said that metal/indie etc bands don't have a DIY ethic, don't put words in my mouth. There's a big difference between having a DIY ethic out of necessity, and having a DIY ethic within a supportive "scene". And don't lecture me on the "underground" music scene, it's what I've been listening to for a number of years, both locally and further afield. Anyway, like I said, it's only my opinion!
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